{"id":48,"date":"2015-05-16T15:34:46","date_gmt":"2015-05-16T18:34:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/?p=48"},"modified":"2024-04-26T19:25:04","modified_gmt":"2024-04-26T22:25:04","slug":"pele-and-messi-a-comparison-between-two-geniuses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/2015\/05\/16\/pele-and-messi-a-comparison-between-two-geniuses\/","title":{"rendered":"Pel\u00e9 and Messi, a comparison between two geniuses"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_counters\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/lang\/pt\/share-small.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top:2px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_c=new Array(\"twitter\",\"facebook_like\",\"facebook_send\",\"pinterest\",\"email\",\"print\",\"linkedin\");var hupso_counters_lang = \"pt_BR\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_twitter_via=\"blogdootavio\";var hupso_url_c=\"\";var hupso_title_c=\"Pel%C3%A9%20and%20Messi%2C%20a%20comparison%20between%20two%20geniuses\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/counters.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pel\u00e9 and Messi are the two most dominant and brilliant scorers in football\/soccer history (note: called football from now on). Their numbers impress in a unique way, because they are not pure center forwards like Rom\u00e1rio, Josef Bican, Gerd M\u00fceller, Ronaldo, among others. The \u201cKing\u201d was the \u201cnumber 10\u201d, used to play in the position known in Brazil at his time as \u201cponta de lan\u00e7a\u201d or \u201cmeia-esquerda\u201d- a type of mix between the attacking midfielder and second striker of today\u2019s football. While Messi started as a right-winger, played for a lot of time as a \u201cfalse 9\u201d and today plays like a true \u201cnumber 10\u201d, \u201cbow and arrow\u201d (the player who create and also score lots of goals) like Pel\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">After each incredible feat of the genius Argentinian, the number of comparison rises and some even dare to say that he has surpassed the Brazilian king. Because of that, I have decided to research the data of the two athletes and put them against each other.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2539\" style=\"width: 519px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4ddCZn4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2539\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2539\" src=\"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/xbox.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"509\" height=\"397\" srcset=\"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/xbox.jpg 509w, https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/xbox-300x234.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 509px) 100vw, 509px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2539\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click on the image below to buy Xbox Series X with EA FC 24 and play with football legends<\/p><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">To make the comparison more precise, I will only count their goals for their clubs in official competitions. Despite recognizing that friendlies back in Pel\u00e9\u2019s day were more important than they are now, eliminating those games will avoid injustice accusations, because of the small numbers of friendlies played by \u201cLa Pulga\u201d. Therefore, for the brazilian, I will count goals in the \u201cCampeonato Paulista\u201d (S\u00e3o Paulo state league), \u201cTorneio Rio-S\u00e3o Paulo\u201d (competions among clubs of Rio de Janeiro and S\u00e3o Paulo), \u201cTa\u00e7a Brasil\/Robert\u00e3o\u201d (name of the national competition back then), \u201cLibertadores\u201d and Intercontinental Cup. And for the Argentinian, La Liga, Spanish Super Cup, \u201cCopa del Rey\u201d, Champions League, European Super Cup and FIFA World Club Cup.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Concerning the national teams, I will use FIFA\u2019s criteria and count official tournaments and only friendlies against other national teams. Furthermore, since Messi will turn 28 in a couple of weeks, I will only count Pel\u00e9\u2019s goal until the same age. a<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Through the analysis of every game played by both footballers for their clubs and national teams, I will get important data about their career. I must highlight the number of games played, wins, draws, defeats; average points made (we shall adopt today\u2019s criteria of 3 points per victory); total and average of goals; percentage of goals in regard to the number of goals scored by the teams and overall in games (which makes the comparison more fair, since more goals were scored in the \u201cKing\u2019s\u201d days); and the performances of Santos\/Brazil and Barcelona\/Argentina with and without Pel\u00e9 and Messi. Of course, I will not forget their World Cup career.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Let\u2019s head to the numbers!<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Next posts:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/2015\/05\/16\/part-ii-club-performance\/\">Part II &#8211; Club performance<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/2015\/05\/16\/part-iii-national-team-performance\/\">Part III &#8211; National team performance<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/2015\/05\/16\/part-iv-conclusion\/\">Part IV &#8211; Conclusion<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">BONUS:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a title=\"There was a South American genius in the middle of the road: Pele x Eusebio and Messi x Cristiano Ronaldo\" href=\"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/2015\/09\/04\/there-was-a-latin-american-genius-in-the-middle-of-the-road-pele-x-eusebio-and-messi-x-cristiano-ronaldo\/\">There was a South American genius in the middle of the road: Pele x Eusebio and Messi x Cristiano Ronaldo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a title=\"Pele and Messi in finals\" href=\"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/2015\/10\/02\/pele-and-messi-in-finals\/\">Pele and Messi in finals<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Sources:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Nascimento, Guilherme. Almanaque do Santos FC: 1912-2012. 1st edition. S\u00e3o Paulo: Magma Cultural e Editora, 2012.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/br.soccerway.com\/teams\/argentina\/argentina\/132\/matches\/\">http:\/\/br.soccerway.com\/teams\/argentina\/argentina\/132\/matches\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rsssf.com\/miscellaneous\/messi-intlg.html\">http:\/\/www.rsssf.com\/miscellaneous\/messi-intlg.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rsssfbrasil.com\/sel\/national.htm\">http:\/\/www.rsssfbrasil.com\/sel\/national.htm<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.footballdatabase.eu\/\">http:\/\/www.footballdatabase.eu\/<\/a><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_counters\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/lang\/pt\/share-small.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top:2px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_c=new Array(\"twitter\",\"facebook_like\",\"facebook_send\",\"pinterest\",\"email\",\"print\",\"linkedin\");var hupso_counters_lang = \"pt_BR\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_twitter_via=\"blogdootavio\";var hupso_url_c=\"\";var hupso_title_c=\"Pel%C3%A9%20and%20Messi%2C%20a%20comparison%20between%20two%20geniuses\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/counters.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_counters\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/lang\/pt\/share-small.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top:2px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_c=new Array(\"twitter\",\"facebook_like\",\"facebook_send\",\"pinterest\",\"email\",\"print\",\"linkedin\");var hupso_counters_lang = \"pt_BR\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_twitter_via=\"blogdootavio\";var hupso_url_c=\"\";var hupso_title_c=\"Pel%C3%A9%20and%20Messi%2C%20a%20comparison%20between%20two%20geniuses\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/counters.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>Pel\u00e9 and Messi are the two most dominant and brilliant scorers in football\/soccer history (note: called football from now on). Their numbers impress in a unique way, because they are not pure center forwards like Rom\u00e1rio, Josef Bican, Gerd M\u00fceller, Ronaldo, among others. The \u201cKing\u201d was the \u201cnumber 10\u201d, used to play in the position [&hellip;]<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_counters\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/lang\/pt\/share-small.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top:2px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_c=new Array(\"twitter\",\"facebook_like\",\"facebook_send\",\"pinterest\",\"email\",\"print\",\"linkedin\");var hupso_counters_lang = \"pt_BR\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_twitter_via=\"blogdootavio\";var hupso_url_c=\"\";var hupso_title_c=\"Pel%C3%A9%20and%20Messi%2C%20a%20comparison%20between%20two%20geniuses\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/counters.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":23,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[179],"tags":[5,4,7,3,2,8],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=48"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2564,"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48\/revisions\/2564"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/23"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=48"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=48"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/otaviopinto.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=48"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}